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Macs and Windows now on even ground

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Some of you may know that I hate fanboys, whether they're Mac, Linux, Sony or whatever. I don't mind if your passionate about a particular company, in fact that's a great thing and if I startup, or work for a company, I'd be honoured to have such people. What shits me are those who are so blinded (or brainwashed) that they go around spreading complete FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) about other people's products. I don't care if they say, "Mac rules!" on an obviously Windows forum and wait for others to put him/her back in place. What gets me are people who say, "Windows Vista is just as buggy and insecure as XP, and there's nothing new. Get a real and innovative OS like a Mac. Micro$oft is EVIL." It's obviously untrue, yet they still feel it's necessary to plaster it over every blog they come across. Geez, if your product's any good, you won't need to sling mud over at your competitors - people will want it as soon as they see it. There's a fine line between playful jabs at your competitor, as Apple does so bloody well with their advertising, and blatant mud-throwing, and unfortunately fanboys can't see the difference.

Why am I rambling about this?
I was reading a slightly unrelated post over on Scoble's blog, and saw an exchange between obvious Mac fanboy 'rory' and Scoble in the comments.

No, it is *NOT* DOJ to ‘blame’ it is the ones who made the piece of trash called ‘vista’….

Sure, the extra SW is no fun, but easily wipeable…

Vista is warmed over XP, and has the same security issues, just with a new face…..

Comment by rory — April 6, 2007 @ 1:02 pm

rory: if you think that Vista is only warmed over XP, that demonstrates you simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Vista has a completely rewritten networking stack. A completely rewritten audio stack. Substantial changes to UI. A built in search engine that actually works pretty well, unlike the ones I tried with XP, much better Tablet PC and Media Center features, and a ton of other stuff. And, it was completely recompiled with a new compiler that blocks buffer overruns. There’s a ton of security work that was done, too. Including that it’s not running in admin mode by default.

But, no, it’s just “warmed over XP.” Yeah, right.

Comment by Robert Scoble — April 6, 2007 @ 1:14 pm

Reading Scoble's reply made me realise what Vista actually did for Windows - it brought Windows on to the same level as Mac's OSX Tiger. With respect to operating systems, there is now a level playing ground. Vista now looks as nice as OSX, if not better in parts, works just as well, and now has the right infrastructure to build on to make it better than OSX.

Talk about Vista being just as insecure is complete crap. Vista will always have more security issues as Macs, because there are millions more Windows users than there are Macs and perfect 100% secure software is impossible for something this complex. Just because security issues on Macs aren't as widely publicised, doesn't mean there aren't any (check out what software updates you're getting - majority are security fixes). If in a parallel universe Macs and Windows swapped places, Macs will be in just as much shit. Of course, from a consumer perspective, they couldn't care less about the economics of things, more what they get from switching. And it's true then, that Macs have much less virus and spyware attacks. But what it's really doing is giving the user an excuse to become complacent about security. They're lulled into a false sense of security, and everyone knows a false sense is worse than no security.

We're worried about our physical security - we lock our front doors, have alarms & immobilisers installed in our cars, and have lighting to ward off potential crooks. Why aren't we worried about online security? Windows users are gradually being educated to be as vigilant as we are with our physical security. Macs on the other hand, give users an excuse to not be vigilant, purely because there are less of them. That's like saying Lexus cars don't need alarms and immobilisers because there's more Fords, Holdens and Toyotas out there. Sounds crazy doesn't it?

The one area that Macs have a one-up on Windows right now is hardware design. Macs are cool, well designed, and now, very competitive on price. I can't for the life of me understand why there's no cool looking Windows laptop manufacturers out there; surely Apple didn't hire every cool design engineer out there. Like I said in a previous post, people are now buying MacBooks then installing Boot Camp and running Vista on them. Another mate told me he bought a MacBook because he wanted something small, but in the PC world, the smaller the computer the more expensive it is. It's the opposite in the Mac world.

Until the next iteration of OSX, Leopard, comes out (in the next few months), both OSs are on pretty much even ground. Neither has anything particularly better than the other, and in that respect Microsoft has done a good job. Of course they need to start innovating very soon, but bringing XP up to speed with OSX was a big effort because OSX was leaps and bounds ahead of it. Apple has given Microsoft the jolt it needed. I expect Microsoft to release new Windows features more frequent now, so it can keep up and make Windows better than OSX. Whether they release a new Windows more often (as is the OSX trick), distribute/sell features via its Windows Update site, or distribute new stuff some other way I don't know, but they've laid the groundwork so the battle between Vista and OSX should get quite interesting very soon.

P.S. For another perspective on the differences between Vista and OSX, check out this article by an MSNBC reporter, who switched from a Mac.
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MacFanBoy said:

Looks like another uninformed blogpost from the typical Windows fanboy. Why you guys can't understand that the Apple Mac platform is Unix based is beyond me. The Unix core is what makes it more secure. Unix is more secure by design. It had to be since it's inception because of it's multi-user capabilities. Windows was never intended to be multi-user or even networkable in the very beginning. That is why it has been plagued by virus writers and malware. Geez. Yes, OS code can never be perfect as vulnerabilities do crop up in Unix but it takes more than a script kiddie to attack a Unix box. Face it, Windows fanboys, even if everyone switched, the Mac would still be more secure than Windows.

There has still not been a virus or malware that has attacked Mac users in the wild and the Mac OS X has been out since March 2001. The ones you've read or heard of on the internet were either proof of concept attacks performed in a lab (by high level programmers) or ones that tricked the user to give away their password (socially engineered). Obviously, you could crack my machine if I gave you my password. Doh!

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Sam said:

LOL, you know, the fact you gave yourself the name MacFanBoy doesn't exactly convey truth in your response, but I'll work with it the best I can.

I do know its Unix-based. And it is more secure by design because it was designed from the ground up as a multi-user OS. But you have to admit, Windows has made leaps and bounds over the last few years to address this. The problem is not the OS design itself. It's the users. I can't even remember the last truly viral virus unleashed on Windows, i.e. required no user input to infect their computer. The vast majority of spyware and viruses are distributed through social engineering. It doesn't matter how strong your OS design is, unless you treat your users as dumb retards and stop them from doing anything, you can't stop social engineering through design - the only way is through education and vigilance, which OSX excuses the user from without giving them further protection (apart from relative rareness). Yes, unfortunately some users are stupid enough to hand out their passwords, and these exist on both sides of the fence, so the only way to minimise this is to actively remind them not to through education (e.g. the new phishing alerts in Firefox & IE7).

This is why UNIX hacks are so rare even though the majority of the world's web servers are running UNIX-based OSs. These servers are operated by those who know how to work the OS, are aware of hacking methods, know how to secure it and how not to become socially engineered.

Proof of concepts should be able to be easily turned into wild viruses, so that's irrelevant. The fact that some nice guy wrote it doesn't mean anything.

So I stand by what I wrote, but the social engineering point you raise is very valid, so thanks for that.

P.S. You'd be glad to note that I'm quite pleased my sister has gotten a MacBook recently, because I now no longer have to waste time undoing the socially engineered choices she made on her old Windows PC, although she did get better at identifying them, and various programs kept her on her toes. But after working with it, and helping her find her way around it, I really don't see any feature on the OSX that I don't have on Vista.

P.P.S. If you read this blog a bit more, you'd know I'm not exactly a Microsoft fanboy - I bash them as much as I love them. In fact, I'd say I'm more of a Mac fanboy because I don't remember a single post where I've said they were shit (and I still reckon they're an awesome company).

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MacFanboy said:

"I can't even remember the last truly viral virus unleashed on Windows, i.e. required no user input to infect their computer."

I don't know about you but even though there are not as many viral virus unleashed, there have been a few this year. I know, I am a Sys admin in a Windows shop. Even though our anti-virus software detected the problems, I had to re-image some machines. Now, do you think the home user has the benefits of an IT dept at home.....NOT. So, I think there are many Windows users continually battling the malware and viruses. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've had to run spybot on systems just to get them to run normally again.

Look, Windows can never be on par with Mac OS X because there have been "Zero" virus or spyware for the Mac platform.

As far as the OS functionality and user experience, VISTA has gotten poor reviews from major tech writers. No time here to link but just look at PC World, PC Mag, or the Wall Street Journal for reviews of VISTA.

I'd say that the folks in the Windows camp are just uninformed when it comes to better technology. They put up with a lot of crap. Me, I'm a Mac user. A Mac user that uses a PowerBook as an admin in a Windows shop.

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Sam said:

I know exactly how you feel - I'm the closest IT tech to most of my family and friends.

As a sys-admin, you don't see how the virus/spyware got on to the users' computer. You only see the results when they start complaining. So for all you know, the users could've been socially engineered to install the virus/spyware, e.g. open an attachment in their email, or downloaded something from the internet. It doesn't matter if they say 'it just appeared' - chances are it didn't. In fact, I'd say the vast majority of viruses/spyware are installed this way, and the only protection the Mac has against this is rareness.

There has been zero purely because it's pointless. Do you really believe it's impossible to get spyware on OSX through social engineering?

Vista's gotten it's fair share of positive and negative reviews. I've read ones on both sides and any product as far-reaching as Vista will get that.

Uninformed? Alright, convince me why I should switch. Like I said, I think they're on the same level, so switching is really not a problem for me. Don't use the spyware/virus argument - I haven't gotten either in the last few years. My computer hasn't crashed either in the last few years. You might just be able to convince me to get a mini Stick out tongue. A MacBook won't be an option - I've got a tablet because I need it for uni to take notes, and scribble maths equations and diagrams. Well, at least until Jobs reveals he's got a tablet coming out too.

Thanks for keeping this civil by the way, it's been more constructive than most Windows vs. Mac (or vs. Linux) arguments I have. Big Smile

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MacFanboy said:

Here's a link to another blog that covers the situation succintly.

http://weblog.infoworld.com/venezia/archives/011187.html

It's all about the design of the OS really. Legacy is the problem.

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Sam said:

Nice find, thanks for that.

Speaking of legacy, I wonder how Macs handle their legacy apps with Rosetta? I believe they do some sort of software virtualisation to handle them, which probably gives them more control than Microsoft trying to natively handling all the legacy apps.

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